Michele
and I have been married for 26 years, and we have six children between the ages
of 10 and 20. We make our home in
Peterborough, ON. In terms of my
educational background, I hold undergraduate degrees in history (Trent,
Peterborough ON) and education (Queen’s, Kingston ON), masters degrees in
ministry and theology (MA, Steubenville, OH; MA USMC, Toronto ON; STL Toronto
ON) and a PhD in Catholic Studies (Maryvale Institute and the Open University,
Birmingham UK). I have taught at the elementary, secondary and
tertiary levels. Currently, I wear
several hats: I am an adjunct professor
of systematic theology at the Institute of Theology of St. Augustine’s
Seminary, which is a member of the Toronto School of Theology affiliated with
the University of Toronto; I am a faculty member of Sacred Heart, an emerging
Catholic College in Peterborough ON; and,
I am also an academic advisor for postgraduate studies at Maryvale
Institute and Liverpool-Hope University in the UK.
AD: What led you to write this book?
The short answer is that this book
is a reworking of my dissertation.
The longer answer is that, for years, I have been, and continue to be,
fascinated by the intersection of Christology, pneumatology and
ecclesiology. Though I grew up in a
solid Catholic family, and grew to love my faith under the tutelage, and
through the example, of my loving Mom and Dad, my catechesis in local Catholic
schools was wholly inadequate to questions which arose in my mind and heart
about how Christ and the Church were properly ‘related’ and
‘distinguished’. At some level, my young
mind knew, even then, that ecclesiology sits on faulty foundations if it is not
fundamentally the outgrowth of Trinitarian theology. Also, as a young man, the person and power of
the Holy Spirit came to the fore in my prayer life and, experientially, I knew
the truth of the ‘two hands of the Father’ long before I became a theologian. A 1983 encounter with Bl. John Henry Newman during a British history
course began a lifelong affair with his thought and theology, which became the place
where some answers to my questions about the relationship between Church,
Christology and Holy Spirit congealed.
AD: Your introduction begins by
quoting Alexander Schmemann and Nikos Nissiotis at Vatican II where they told
Yves Congar that any treatment of ecclesiology needed only two chapters:
pneumatology, and theological anthropology. Why do you think they said that, and
what do you think Newman would have said in response?
It is
dangerous to speculate about why another has said something. I am unsure if these significant Orthodox
theologians literally meant ‘just two chapters’. However, since you have asked me to speculate,
I will oblige. By this remark, I think they
intended to put into relief other ecclesiological concerns being raised at the
Council, like the pilgrim nature of the Church, the role of the laity, the
ecclesial motherhood of the Blessed Virgin, and the meaning of the primacy of
the Roman Pontiff in relation to episcopal collegiality. Over and against such matters, I think that
they wished to emphasize the fundamental, enduring, indispensable ecclesial reality which is effected by the pentecostal
dynamism of the person of the Holy Spirit who makes Christ present in his sacred
body across time and space: at once uniting,
restoring and elevating men, women and children by divinizing them. Without this penetrating sense of a pneumatic
Church other aspects of ecclesiology experience limitation, distortion,
misalignment and alike. This was the
message I think Schmemann and Nissiotis were signaling by their remarks.
AD: In your introduction you quote
the late C.S. Dessain that Newman was deeply influenced by the Greek Fathers.
Tell us about that influence, and which Fathers in particular.
The title of the 1962 (two-part) article
by Charles Stephen Dessain indicates the penetrating influence of these Fathers
upon Newman’s thought: “Cardinal Newman
and the Doctrine of Uncreated Grace.” In
this article, and in his posthumously published Newman's Spiritual Themes, Dessain brought out in an original
manner how Newman (in contradistinction to his evangelical contemporaries who overemphasized
the doctrine of the atonement) understood the Holy Spirit to apply the merits
of Christ’s entire life to the believer, and mystically to reiterate his sacred
life in us, and to do so, not in some forensic manner, but by indwelling. In explicating this sacred theme, Dessain drew
widely upon Newman’s corpus, but favoured his Parochial and Plain Sermons and his Lectures on the Doctrine of Justification.
AD: In your research, have you come
across much evidence that Newman was also influenced by Fathers further
East--i.e., the Syriac tradition?
No. What comes to mind in
this regard are Newman’s essay on “The Theology of St. Ignatius,” of Antioch in Essays Historical and Critical II,
his opening consideration of “The Church of Antioch,” in The Arians of the Fourth Century and his longish essay on “The Trials of Theodoret” in
his Historical Sketches ii. However, Newman never, to my knowledge appealed
to someone like St. Eprahaem, the ‘Lyre of the Holy Spirit’, even in his most
pneumatologically intense passages. I do
not think his knowledge of this strain of the patristic tradition ever rivaled
his mastery, love and feel for, the Alexandrian tradition.
AD: Your third chapter spends some time discussing
Newman's understanding of Arianism. How well has that treatment of Arius stood
up, do you think, in the wake of scholarship on the Nicene period--from people
like John Behr, Khaled Anatolios, and others?
In response, let me re-orientate the question slightly to focus upon Khaled Anatolios and his latest work, Retrieving Nicaea: The Development and Meaning of Trinitarian Doctrine.
The opening line of his preface states, “The composition of this book has been animated by a double conviction: that the development of trinitarian doctrine is key to its meaning, and that the contents of this meaning constitute the entirety of Christian faith" (xv). This is a line which I believe Newman would have affirmed unhesitatingly. More specifically, when Anatolios speaks of Athanasius: (i) anticipating Basil’s argument in On the Holy Spirit that the baptismal formula is the primary touchstone for trinitarian reflection (132); or, (ii) noting that “the pro nobis of the Son is located in his economic self-abasement, which in turn is grounded in the philanthrōpia of the divine nature rather than in a putative secondary divinity” (121); or, (iii) asserting that the “incarnate Word is conceived as having a double relation to the Spirit; he is giver of the Spirit according to his divinity and receiver of the Spirit in his humanity. The soteriological yield of this double transaction is that humanity becomes sanctified through its reception of the Spirit, which drives from the incarnate Word’s reception of it” (134), I leap out of my chair as if I were reading passages from Newman--albeit with the cadence and idiom proper to Anatolios. Still there is a big difference in their approaches. Whereas Anatolios carefully shifts the positions of what he calls Trinitiarian theologians of the will – Arius, Asterius, Eusebius of Caesarea, Eunomius of Cyzicus (41-79) – to understand their inner logic and relatedness, prior to showing their inadequacy, Newman’s tendency with Arius et al is to associate their erroneous theological positions with improperly disposed spiritual lives, and to advance his view that the Antiochene theological tradition and schools which transmitted it were somewhat predisposed to lead to error.
To be fair to Newman, he was neither a professional theologian nor a full-time patrologist. His work in these areas was almost always in medias res. Arians of the Fourth Century was originally part of a prospective series on councils, starting with Nicaea; but Newman didn’t really get any further in this particular project. His return to Athanasius, in various moments of his life, deepened his love and knowledge of this great saint. While I would continue, almost implicitly, to trust Newman’s instinct and conclusions on dogmatic matters, I think it fair to say that on matters of in-depth historical research, there is much in this area where his findings are dated, in need of revision, or significant qualification. What is amazing, however, is that his work has driven the work of so many others and remains to have a qualified, historical value even today.
In response, let me re-orientate the question slightly to focus upon Khaled Anatolios and his latest work, Retrieving Nicaea: The Development and Meaning of Trinitarian Doctrine.
The opening line of his preface states, “The composition of this book has been animated by a double conviction: that the development of trinitarian doctrine is key to its meaning, and that the contents of this meaning constitute the entirety of Christian faith" (xv). This is a line which I believe Newman would have affirmed unhesitatingly. More specifically, when Anatolios speaks of Athanasius: (i) anticipating Basil’s argument in On the Holy Spirit that the baptismal formula is the primary touchstone for trinitarian reflection (132); or, (ii) noting that “the pro nobis of the Son is located in his economic self-abasement, which in turn is grounded in the philanthrōpia of the divine nature rather than in a putative secondary divinity” (121); or, (iii) asserting that the “incarnate Word is conceived as having a double relation to the Spirit; he is giver of the Spirit according to his divinity and receiver of the Spirit in his humanity. The soteriological yield of this double transaction is that humanity becomes sanctified through its reception of the Spirit, which drives from the incarnate Word’s reception of it” (134), I leap out of my chair as if I were reading passages from Newman--albeit with the cadence and idiom proper to Anatolios. Still there is a big difference in their approaches. Whereas Anatolios carefully shifts the positions of what he calls Trinitiarian theologians of the will – Arius, Asterius, Eusebius of Caesarea, Eunomius of Cyzicus (41-79) – to understand their inner logic and relatedness, prior to showing their inadequacy, Newman’s tendency with Arius et al is to associate their erroneous theological positions with improperly disposed spiritual lives, and to advance his view that the Antiochene theological tradition and schools which transmitted it were somewhat predisposed to lead to error.
To be fair to Newman, he was neither a professional theologian nor a full-time patrologist. His work in these areas was almost always in medias res. Arians of the Fourth Century was originally part of a prospective series on councils, starting with Nicaea; but Newman didn’t really get any further in this particular project. His return to Athanasius, in various moments of his life, deepened his love and knowledge of this great saint. While I would continue, almost implicitly, to trust Newman’s instinct and conclusions on dogmatic matters, I think it fair to say that on matters of in-depth historical research, there is much in this area where his findings are dated, in need of revision, or significant qualification. What is amazing, however, is that his work has driven the work of so many others and remains to have a qualified, historical value even today.
AD: Ian Ker's foreword refers to
"Newman's Athanasian Christology." What drew Newman to Athanasius in
particular?
Newman was very inspired by the indefatigable Athanasian defense of the truth that the person of the Eternal Word assumed our humanity, in a real, complete, fulsome albeit mysterious manner. Newman held this view at an historical moment when those of a rationalist bent in England and elsewhere (like the John Hick and The Metaphor of God Incarnate crowd in our own day) were denying, undermining, diluting, softening or otherwise obscuring this bedrock Christian proclamation. He was convinced that Athanasius had made an enduring and, even, providential contribution; I think he saw St. Athanansius very much as a spiritual father, and not simply as an intellectual mentor.
AD: It has often been said that, at
least in Western theology until recently, the Holy Spirit was often overlooked.
And yet you often speak of Newman's "pneumatic ecclesiology" and
"pneumatic Christology." Is he one of the relatively few Western
figures not to overlook the Spirit?
Here, a qualified, ‘yes’. It has become commonplace in the last 20
years to lament the paucity of proper theological consideration of the person,
power and presence of the Holy Spirit among western writers and
theologians. Like most commonplaces, the
lament contains more truth than one wishes.
However, one should not harden the generalization so that it becomes
caricature. A few counterweights come to
mind. Johann Adam Möhler’s first work, Unity in the Church (1825) was shot through with pneumatology; the
wonderful modern interpreter of Aquinas, Giles Emery, OP has, in
several works, stressed the pneumatological dimension of the Angelic Doctor’s
trinitarian thought. Does he do so in a
way that would satisfy an Orthodox interpreter? No. But does the lament apply to his work? No.
The pre-World War II work, The Mystical Body of Christ by Emilie Mersch SJ contains a marvelous section on “The Doctrine of the Mystical Body in the Greek Fathers”; Hans Urs von Balthasar’s work contains significant pneumatological swaths, e.g. Explorations in Theology: Spiritus Creator; John G. Arintero, OP has described and explained the purgative, illuminative and unitive stages of the spiritual life very much within the context of deification in his 2 vols., Mystical Evolution in the Development and Vitality of the Church. And, of course, there is Yves Congar’s monumental three vols., I Believe in the Holy Spirit. While these authors are hardly exhaustive or even characteristic, they are not part of a school; their works appear in different decades and the areas of thought cover history, dogma and spiritual theology proper. In sum, they are suggestive of a western appreciation of pneumatology, pneumatological ecclesiology and the work of the Spirit in the life of Christians.
The pre-World War II work, The Mystical Body of Christ by Emilie Mersch SJ contains a marvelous section on “The Doctrine of the Mystical Body in the Greek Fathers”; Hans Urs von Balthasar’s work contains significant pneumatological swaths, e.g. Explorations in Theology: Spiritus Creator; John G. Arintero, OP has described and explained the purgative, illuminative and unitive stages of the spiritual life very much within the context of deification in his 2 vols., Mystical Evolution in the Development and Vitality of the Church. And, of course, there is Yves Congar’s monumental three vols., I Believe in the Holy Spirit. While these authors are hardly exhaustive or even characteristic, they are not part of a school; their works appear in different decades and the areas of thought cover history, dogma and spiritual theology proper. In sum, they are suggestive of a western appreciation of pneumatology, pneumatological ecclesiology and the work of the Spirit in the life of Christians.
This having been said, I make a sustained argument in my book that Newman is peculiarly prescient and thoughtful amongst those in the west who do justice to the pneumatological dimension of ecclesia, especially wtih his integration of Greek patristic thought on the birth of the Church in and through the paschal mysteries of passion, death, resurrection, ascension and sending of the Spirit.
AD: How do you think Newman's ecclesiology can assist in the recovery of Christian unity today, especially Orthodox-Catholic unity?
Newman’s ecclesiology can make a
contribution:
1. At times, his theology is
doxological; it emerges from a life where there is no artificial divide between
one’s life as a theologian involved in a disciplined reflection upon revelation
and a liturgical life immersed in the sacred mysteries of Christ; this forceful
unity is magnetic and an authentic hallmark of one who thinks with the mind of
the Church; it is also a quality which I think many Orthodox look for in a
trustworthy guide.
2. Unity between the Orthodox and
Catholics will require an acceptance of some truths which are clearly part of
the Great Tradition but which need creative reframing without gutting; and, which require creative application
without skirting. Because Newman’s
theology is both patristic and personalist, Catholic but not neo-scholastic;
dogmatic and spiritual, I think he can be helpful in providing resources for
this recovery.
3. Newman’s vision of the pneumatic
Church, his embrace of divinization, and his drawing upon the Greek Fathers
probably make him amenable as a dialogue partner for many Orthodox; as well, he
suffered at the hands of Roman superiors but this did not lessen his love of
the Church which transcended personal hurts.
Hence theologically and personally, he has something to offer.
In a modest way, I wanted others to realize that Newman possesses a fundamental pneumatic ecclesiology upon which rests the rest of his thinking about the Church. I also wanted others to think about the very nature of the Church afresh in terms of its marvelous sacramental, mystical dimension.
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