I have previously drawn attention to a recently released documentary on DVD about the Nicene Creed: The Creed: What Christians Profess, and Why It Ought to Matter.
As I noted in my review, this is an excellent resource ideally suited for, say, parish study groups or introductory survey courses on Christian doctrine, doctrinal history, or the ecumenical councils. Such study of the creed--and of the ecumenical councils--is all the more necessary today in an age of general ignorance about both Christian history and fundamental Christian doctrine.
I asked the producer, Tim Kelleher, for an interview about this production and his other works. Here are his thoughts:
AD: Tell us about your background:
TK: Before I do, I’d like to thank you. As I’m a big
fan of Logos, it means a lot to have
this chance to talk with you about our film.
So, here we go. I was born
in the Bronx, NY and went on to live in all
five boroughs of NYC – which I believe ties the record! Thanks, in large part,
to the heroism of certain Sisters of Charity of Halifax, I graduated from
Villanova, where Bernard Prusak and Jack Caputo were teaching at the time.
Since then, I’ve been fortunate to work consistently as a stage, film and TV actor, writer and director while continuing to study.
In 1995 I “turned to the East,” was eventually received into the Ukrainian Greek
Catholic Church, and am about to complete a graduate degree in theology at The
Catholic University America.
AD: What led you to work on The Creed?
When
you think about it you realize that maybe more than anything else, what
Christians have most tangibly in common is the Creed. And what does the Creed
say? Well, in a way, it can be distilled
to those words of St. Athanasius: God became human, so that humans might become
God. This is an astonishing vision
of the dignity with which humanity – and by implication, all creation, indeed,
reality itself – is endowed. All bluster aside, the worst that can really be
said about it is that it’s too good to be true. And to that we ought to
respond with the Psalmist: Taste and see.
At the beginning of the
film there are two quotes, one of which is from 1 Peter: Always be prepared to give an account of the reasons for your hope. Well,
this is exactly what we’re being asked to do today, by a culture in which a
motivated minority is determined, not just to marginalize religious faith – and
Christianity in particular – but to shove it off the cliff. What is
unacceptable to me is that the far greater number of people--agnostic and
religious--are bullied into virtual silence because of a lack of background in
history, philosophy and theology that would enable them to see the gross
deficiencies of the “threat” and respond to it with confidence and charity.
But, honestly, it is tough--painful
and awkward in this culture--to be a believer, or anyone in between, without
such resources. You don’t have to be Karl Rahner or Pavel Florensky, but it’s
not enough to parrot pious formula either, no matter how orthodox. People on
both sides of the question require and deserve something real, personal, and
alive.
The Creed has a unique
capacity to foster that – most importantly, by helping to deepen an
individual’s relationship to God in and through Christ. It is the impossible
beauty of this experience that can,
in time, be expressed in the form of the “reasons” spoken of in that Letter of
Peter.
AD: You draw on a remarkably "balanced"
sample of theologians from Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox backgrounds. Was
that by design?
TK: Thank you for saying so. It was important to us to
aim for that kind of balance. Even though the scope of the project got trimmed
quicker than a mullet on the first day of boot camp, I am deeply grateful for
the people who agreed to participate. The late Charles Colson watched it and
was very positive. He did ask, ”Where are the evangelicals?” Well, I can tell
you, it wasn’t for lack of trying – or for lack of response. It came down to a
matter of logistics and tight schedules. But I’ve heard from a number of
evangelicals who’ve been very complimentary. And we did get a nice review from Timothy George, dean of Beeson Divinity.
AD: When it comes to the creed, Eastern and Western
versions are identical except for one little word that has created huge
problems: the "filioque." You do not really address that in your
film. Why not?
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TK: It’s true. I deliberately chose
not to address the “filioque.” Given the time constraint (approx. 30 minutes),
I felt I couldn’t justify “stepping out” of a narrative meant to focus on the
Creed’s unifying charism. Certainly,
the filoque is an important and fascinating topic, well worth exploring.
Thankfully, it is also an issue that needs no longer pose an obstacle to the
existentially urgent request issued so poignantly in Ut Unum Sint.
AD: Do we take the Creed for granted today? I'm
thinking here of the common practice in Orthodox, Catholic, and some Protestant
traditions to recite the Creed every Sunday. Do you think that weekly
recitation helps with understanding and appreciation of the creed or does it
instead tend to encourage a rote-memorization approach that glazes the riches
of what the Creed actually says?
TK: I know that for a long time I took it for granted.
Certainly, working on this project opened up aspects of the Creed I really
hadn't appreciated before. In the film, one of our participants puts it
very well, calling it "an under-examined, under-utilized, and
under-appreciated instrument," and voices the hope that parishes and all
manner of Christian communities will come together to study the Creed. As he says,
"It has produced saints of incredible power." I can’t argue with
that.
AD: Is the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed too long
and complicated? Should we just use shorter, simpler creeds like the so-called
Apostles' Creed some in the West use? Or should Christians follow Islamic
practice in their "shahaddah" that sums up the faith in one sentence
("there is no God but Allah and Mohammad is his last prophet"). Why
not have a Christian equivalent "I believe in the Triune God of Father,
Son, and Holy Spirit." Wouldn't that be enough?
TK: I suppose we could say something along the lines
you’ve suggested – or St. Athanasius’s rendering of theosis – if that was all we had. But it’s not. The Trinity, made
manifest through the experience of Jesus, is what differentiates Christianity
from the other monotheistic traditions. Wolfhart Pannenberg once said that the
Incarnation makes monotheism concrete. The Nicene Creed is the fullest creedal
expression of that. Therefore, it would be pointless not to utilize it and mine
its depths as we do.
AD: How would you explain the role, authority, and
rationale of the Creed to a non-Christian? Why have such a statement of
beliefs?
TK: You’ve just touched on one of the reasons the Creed
is so surprisingly compelling – and why it has such potential as an instrument
for evangelization. It presents the opportunity to begin by identifying the
historical context that made the Creed a necessity in the first place – namely,
the Arian claim that denied the divinity of Christ. This is a great jumping-off
point because this controversy has never completely gone away. In varying
degrees, it continues to operate in, as well as outside, the Church.
AD: Today we've seen the "argument" from
some Christians (e.g., Anglicans) that things not explicitly covered in the
Creed can be changed. Thus Anglicans have said that same-sex marriages are not
in the creed so Christians should have no problem approving them. Do we need an
updated version of the Creed addressing in more detail such moral
questions?
TK: Now that’s a question Mike
Wallace could be proud of! I would say
that the Tradition can accommodate – in fact, facilitate – the development of doctrine. However, within the
Christian communion, we do see what looks like the eagerness for a different
kind of accommodation, one keen to take its cue from secular models. This
desire to accommodate, or synthesize, often seems lacking in an awareness of,
or interest in, the fact that many of the models referenced are themselves
deeply indebted to the Judeo-Christian tradition. This is a confused situation
that is bound to multiply confusion.
As Luke Timothy Johnson points out in the film, the Creed is descriptive not prescriptive.
It is not, for example, the US Constitution, open to prescriptive
amendment. It seems to me that when broaching matters of doctrine and
discipline, the various churches ought take every conceivable pain to
distinguish clearly between development and innovation – or worse – novelty.
Here, the paradigm of self-emptying,
sacrificial love to which the Creed points is the only standard for evaluating
what can authentically be called, Christian. To cross that border is to enter
the minefield of self-reference.
AD: When I lecture on the ecumenical councils,
especially Nicaea I and Constantinople
I that gave us the eponymous creed, I often encounter bewilderment from people
that the process of producing the creed was contentious and that people fought
one another over it. But the fact they fought each other, I say, is just a sign
of how seriously people of the fourth century took doctrinal debates. Are we
too complacent about doctrine today--more worried about updating our wall on
Facebook than understanding Christian dogma?
TK: In those days, theological debate could be a
full-contact affair. And it's not a pretty picture. For Christians,
"religious violence" should be a contradiction in terms. Yet,
while the means used were at times regrettable, the need for clarity was real.
Today "doctrine" is a dirty word in many precincts. That's silly of
course--and unfortunate. The more important things are, the greater the need
to be specific when speaking of them. This specificity doesn't thereby limit
discussion. Rather, it limits the confusion that clouds discussion. John Behr does a terrific job explaining this in the film when he elaborates on the Creed
as the "canon" of truth. (Not an easy thing to get across in a
tweet).
AD: In my review of The Creed, I lamented only one
thing and that was the fact that it was only a half-hour. Did you hope to go
into more detail and at greater length? Is a sequel in the works?
TK: I would love to expand the film--really open up and
explore each aspect of the Creed. There's just so much to consider--and
virtually every dimension of theology is brought into play. I think it could
work well as an ongoing series. As of now, though, I haven't been asked to clean
the camera or test the mics. Until then, one thing I think could be done is to
develop a study guide for the film.
AD: What other projects are you working on?
TK: I have two TV pilot scripts that have just gone to
market and I’m working on a new feature film script. There are a couple of
documentary ideas--also with theological themes--that I'm developing too.
Most importantly, I'm hoping to resume formation.
AD: Sum up for us what you were hoping to
accomplish with The Creed.
TK: In talking about the Creed, I describe it as “a
treasure hidden in plain sight.” My hope is that more and more people will
discover it – and avail themselves of that treasure.